Tue 11 Jul 2006
by jason on myspace, thread, how will harry get strong enough to defeat voldemort
Well, the three [other] starters of Hogwarts (Rowena Ravenclaw, Helga Hufflepuff, and Godric Gryffindor) knew [when he left] that Salazar Slytherin’s heir would return to finish Slytherin’s work. So, to protect the muggle-born students and stop Voldemort they started new schools. Ravenclaw started up Dumstrang. and Hufflepuff started Beaux Batons where they had children. Ravenclaw’s decendent, Viktor Krum. and Hufflepuff’s, Fleur Delacour. If you read the Goblet of Fire, you realize how both Viktor and Fleur fit the description that the sorting hat gives about both houses. Krum- strong, he knows dark magic but unlike Slytherin knows when and when not to use it. Fleur, not the sharpest tool in the shed, good with magic but when it comes to a challenge she comes up shy. Which would have to make Harry the heir of Gryffindor.
Now you have to think, why did Voldemort go after Harry and not Neville. Because of the info we’re gonna get in the next book. And what secrets about Hogwarts did Voldemort want to figure out so bad that he wanted to become the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher. Dumbledore specifically said he wanted to come back to find out the rest of the secrets [of Hogwarts] which means Dumbledor knows Voldemort already found some. He found out that Harry was the heir of Gryffindor. And he wanted to find out who the other heirs are. Voldemort knows to be able to rule the world and get rid of all muggles like he wants to he has to be able to get rid of all the other heirs. And the reason Harry has to kill him and not the other heirs is because Slytherin and Gryffindor were the best, the strongest, only diffrence one was good and one was evil. But yes Harry is going to wipe the floor with Voldemort he will be trained by Victor and Fleur and others. Because Dumbledore was a smart man he knew he was gonna die. Any one who was strong enough to prevent the battle between Harry and Voldemort would die. And Dumbledore would had made sure when he went there were others to teach Harry.
The reason Harry is going to win is not because its his book and not because he is stronger. I feel it will be an equal fight from both sides but Harry’s rage will help him win. Voldemort, who has no friends, he makes people think they’re his friends but does’nt give a rats ass about them. Harry cares about each and every one of his friends. And every person in these books has a part in helping Harry thruoughout the years. Hermonie- her book smarts, Hagrid- helped with the basilisc and told them to follow the spiders, Dobby- gillyweed and the D.A. room, Dumbledore- enough said. Lupin- helped with the dementors.
But one person out of all helped the most and will be the one in danger in the next book which puts Harry in his rage and helps him win. Ron- Harry’s best friend, the boy who accepted him not because he was famous but because he liked him and gave Harry a family that Harry always wanted and even though he lives under Harry’s shadow and wants to be well known like Harry and a great wizard like Harry he will always stay in the shadow just because he will always be there for Harry.
So Voldemort’s final mistake will be to hurt the person Harry cares about most for the last time when Harry is powerful enough to kill Voldemort. And Voldemort will rue the day he tried to f*** with Harry’s best friend. Yeah, well i think thats how the next book will be but I love to hear things other people think and things I may have over looked so if you have an idea send me a message. When trying to figure out what’s gonna happen remember, every person J.K. Rowling brings into her books has a purpose. And even if they’re missing from a book and you know they’re not dead, there is a strong possibility that they will be back to help out Harry for his last fight. On a closing note, Malfoy is such a loser.
Additions by the Horcrux Citizen
I’m quite taken with Jason’s theory of the heirs of the founders. All along I have tried to sort out something like this concept - assigning different people to different characteristics of the founders. For a long time I’ve thought that Hermione represents Ravenclaw (clever), and Ron represents Hufflepuff (enither the bravest nor the smartest but loyal and true. Not to take away from Jason’s theory, because I believe he has unearthed some important pointers to how things need to develop in book 7, but the notion of Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff going abroad to found other wizarding schools is fully assumed - there is no evidence I can discover in the books which would indicate this. And in one area I see an imbalance - the founders were two witches and two wizards, but this theory gives us three wizards and one witch in the “end battle of the heirs.” Be that as it may, let’s take the clues that are given us in the books and movies and see if we can make something more of this theory.
Giving additional importance to the Tri-Wizard tournament certainly makes for literary sense, if nothing else. What symbols can be hidden here. The Goblet of Fire itself is a “powerful magical object” and an impartial judge. The Goblet selects four (like the founders) champions.
An aside: when I see sets of four, I tend to want to divide them into the four classic pagan categories or Fire (Tarot swords, strength/martial power), Air (Tarot wands/sticks/batons, wisdom), Water (Tarot Cups, love), and Earth (Tarot pentacles/coins, riches). Each of these is a kind of power, each is associated with certain astrological signs, each could be associated with the four houses, the four tri-wizard entrants - and numbers of other fours in the books.
Fleur Delacour (my French is worse than abysmal, but this looks to me like Flower of the Heart) is from Beaux Batons (Good Wands). She is part Veela - maybe this gives her an extra dose of love, it certanly makes her the kind of “part-human” Dolores Umbridge so hates. She must be the “love” corner of this square.
Viktor Krum was set up from the start to be the one with strength. Viktor is the “victor” - unfortunately I can’t shed any light on what Durmstrang might mean (strang-strength?).
That leaves Cedric and Harry. Since Harry doesn’t really display much wisdom, either in book 4 or anywhere else in the series (ok, flame away you Harry fans), I give Cedric the nod for Wisdom and Harry the riches - as we’ve seen in his vault, and as the winnings flow his way, this makes some sort of sense.
What about the 4 houses? Ravenclaw, whose symbol is a Raven and whose quality is cleverness seems to fit Wisdom although the other aspect of the element of air is rulership - which Slytherin seeks. Hufflepuff’s symbol is a badger - very earthy - but is characterized by love sort of watery considerations. Griffendor is strong (and we find his sword prominent in book 2), but is also smart (his hat figures prominently throughout). Slytherin is cunning (air) and passes great riches to his heirs (earth). All in all it is much harder for me to sort out the founders and the houses.
What could this portend for Book 7. We seem to be certain to see more of Fleur since she is to marry Bill Weasley early in the last volume. Viktor, although he hasn’t re-appeared, has not entirely disappeared from the books since number 4 either, appearing as Hermione’s correspondent. To me, these pairings give the most credence to Jason’s theory, since I associate Hermione with Ravenclaw, and Ron (and the Weasley’s in general) with Hufflepuff (symbolically - you don’t need to tell me they are one and all Griffendors).
I’ve made more of a hash of this than making sense, but am glad to be able to share Jason’s theory more widely.
HC
July 20th, 2006 at 3:06 pm
J.K ROWLING, Open letter to you!
J.K ROWLING, as you have read or maybe not, MAY PLAN on Killing Harry Potter in BOOK SEVEN!
IMO, IF she does that she is a “RIGHT FOUL GIT! and it is nothing but RUBBISH!”
Well if she does I am going to write Book SEVEN, MY WAY, even if I go to( AZKABAN ) prison doing so!
Harry Potter is NOT going to DIE!
He MUST NOT!
as DOBBY said,
” YOU WILL NOT HARM HARRY POTTER!”
SO SAY I!
Jo Karen Rowling, everything you have now, fame and fortune are due to HARRY POTTER’S FANS, I am ONE of BILLIONS of readers and WE LOVE HARRY, you MUST NOT HARM HARRY! I guess we all might have lost sight that You are the ‘WIZ’ behind the GIANT, maybe you feel over looked, and maybe jealous that Potter has become so HUGE and you are behind it all maybe not getting all the credit you deserve? Maybe even the actors get more reviews than you?
I for one have had encouragement from reading that you were a single mom and worked hard to write these books. You went through struggles just like me I am sure maybe MORE or LESS challenging, BUT the
point is we are a like you and I.
In some ways.
But you know what one way we differ is, I would never let billions of fans down who are all waiting to see the VICTORY that Harry brings to the Witch & Wizarding world…and to all REAL LIFE Readers.
Have you even thought about the impact on the young reader’s and ALL age reader’s as well ?!
IF we all are hoping that not only Harry destroys ‘HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED’, Lord Voldemort himself but, Encouraging US all, to stand up to the EVIL in OUR LIVES…To be strong and go through OUR challenges and WIN!
Do you know how many people reading your books have physical challenges? As well as many other REAL LIFE Voldemort’s? DEMENTORS and BOGGARTS? Have you thought about HOW this will make us feel? NO! you selfishly forgot that WE your readers are the very reason you can sleep well on a bed while some of us have no beds. Your children eat well while ours might be hungry…We have been gaining hope…HOPE that if we stand up and fight the evil in our worlds we have a chance!
And here you go with your RUBBISH of an idea that just because you think someone might come a long after your dead and re write or continue to write HARRY POTTER series… YOU NEED TO END HIS LIFE!
Dear Lady,
HOW selfish can you get?!
How bloody selfish, indeed! That is pathetic and I WILL NOT let you HARM HARRY POTTER!
Which reminds me, Dobby Blocked an AVADA KEDAVRA curse once before, is it possible for that to happen again?
WHEN I WRITE MY BOOK SEVEN FIND OUT!
P.S. This is not hate mail, I am just so bloody pissed!
***ALSO HARRY, REPRESENTS BOTH Slytherin through the ‘GIFT’ Voldemort passed on and Gryffindor having the true qualities and blood line as did Godric! And do not underestimate the POWER of House Elves let alone MANY.
Something, I think will come about with Kreacher, I think took something that belonged to Sirius Black or a relative and it will come back…or be found…Hermione will some how have command over them or be able to use them in a House Elf army somehow…They are very powerful and we all know Dobby blocked an Avada Kedavra once before it is very possible again! Freedom from slavery will return their powers in a large way! As I feel during slavery their spirit and powers are suppressed and lessened!
July 20th, 2006 at 3:08 pm
PS it is a SHAME that the producer left out the STORY about the house elves as they WILL play a big part again!
He really fooked up cutting them out!
IMO!
October 7th, 2006 at 10:09 am
Hey, good theory.
1) We have been told that the sorting hat (paraphrasing) ‘talks through the four founders.’ I just can’t imagaine they would split up purely because Salazar left. They care too much abotu their students.
I’m gonna leave another comment on this board talking about the sorting hat’s song. [maybe even a fully-formed theory
]
2)Joe has said we will see Krum again!! Good point there, really good. We are gonna have 3/4 of the triwizard champions. (Cedric’s gonna be there in spirit, right? So that’s 4/4!!)
3) People are over playing the house-elves. They may play a somewhat large role, but they are bound to their masters. I wouldn’t be surprised if Hogwarts released their 100 or so. They could do some damage (i.e. gathering intelligence) but. 1 thing I have to say…
Since when have house elves blocked AK’s? “there is no countercurse, the only one that’s ever blocked it is right in front of me.”–Moody
In book 2 Dobby raised a “threatening” finger and Lucius had “no choice” but to back off. Mr. Malfoy had NEVER jinxed, curse, harm or cast, or even ATTEMPT to cast a spell. If House-elves could block AK’s Aurors would be out of their jobs. As they are of no cost and the Ministry could pass a “war decree 56 (he he)” stating that all House-Elves are relinquished from their masters to own every death Eater out there.
Thanks for listening.
October 29th, 2006 at 6:01 pm
ah yes…Fleur delacour is flower of the COURT! very close though =)
and Durmstrang in german means something and storm (scorn I think)..I think it is just referring to it’s incredibly dark reputation as a school for the dark arts.
November 16th, 2006 at 2:24 pm
Dave…
Interesting topic… I’m working in this industry myself and I don’t agree about this in 100%, but I added your page to my bookmarks and hope to see more interesting articles in the future…
January 25th, 2007 at 12:22 am
Wow.
I just took the time to read the first comment left on this page.
Are you stupid? Jo hasn’t forced you to read the books. Don’t buy the books if you don’t want to. Don’t talk about the books. Don’t go on a dam Harry Potter fansite if you don’t like it.
If Harry Potter dies, I totally understand. It is Joe’s right to do so. And you ask Joe if her readers have…physical challenges. What does that mean?
You are making yourself act like a hero. You are not. Your just a selfish brat that wants his way.
And let’s address this house-elf thing again:
They are powerful, they’re not invincible, but powerful. IF THE HOUSE ELVES HAD A FUTURE PLOT, THEN THE PRODUCERS WOULD HAVE PUT IT IN THERE!!! Jo reads all the scripts and checks them. If it was THAT important, it would be in there.
Thanks for listening.